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Ethnological and Other Aspects from "Clan Finley Vol II"
Ethnology - sociocultural anthropology


See also The Origin of scots

Finley Findings documents several genealogies which trace the Finley line all the way back to Adam and Eve. They are based among other things on the Holy Bible, the Pedigree Chart of Queen ELIZABETH and the Royal Family of Great Britain and ancient Irish texts.

There are several genealogies which trace the Finley line back to Macbeth (1005-1057). The ruling family from Macbeth back to Erc (430) has been documented by historians in many places. Erc was the last ruler in Ireland before the Scots moved to Scotland. (See comments and sources below.)

It obviously gets less accurate the further back you go since it is based on myth. According to The Milesian Legends the Scots originated in Scythia, an area between the Black and Caspian Sea in what is now Southern Russia, (2,400+ BC - 1,800 BC).
This is consistent with where Gomer, Grandson of Noah settled.
See Genesis 10:2 Commentaries: Bible Hub

A 2010 article at 'Celtic' myth exposed by DNA | says

We have been taught for a few generations that the Irish descend from the Celts. The King of one wave of Celts was Milesius. Milesius is the most famous Celt in legend I think. Some call him the founder of the Irish people - but it looks like it is mostly a fanciful story.

They came to Scotland via Galicia (Spain) (1,800 BC - 1,700 BC) and Ireland (1,700 BC - 500 AD).

See: Terms at the Scottish History page for definitions of terms below.

Note: Most of the links below are broken because the database is no longer available.
Numbers e.g. 134 for Adam refer to generation number back from 2000.
134 (5) ADAM & EVE (b: Day 6, in Eden") (4)
SETH (b: When creation was 130 years old(4))
ENOS(Enosh) (b: When creation was 235 years old)
CAINAN (Kenan) (b: creation was 325 years old)
MAHALALEEL (b. creation was 395 years old)
JARED (b. When creation was 460 years old)
ENOCH (b. when creation was 622 years old)
lived 365 years.
METHUSELAH lived 969 years;
oldest person to have ever lived
LAMECH lived 777 years;
125 Noah (when creation was 1056 yrs. old)
Note: there are several different lines (2)
documented between Noah and Gadhol (below).
abt. 2,380 BC
Gomer (1)
Boath (2)
Phoeniusa Farsaidh (or Fenius Farsa)-
King of Scythia - (Scythia was the ancient
region around the Black Sea, but some
Scythians may have settled in Northern Egypt.)
Neull - The Egyptian Pharaoh, invited him
to Egypt because his great learning and gave
him the land Campus Cyrunt, near the Red Sea
to inhabit, and the Pharoh's daughter, Scota,
in marriage. (3)
GADHOL (GAODHAL) - Named after Goadhal,
a learned man employed by his father to
refine the language later called Gaodhilg
(or Gaelic).
Prince Sruth sailed from Egypt to Crete
Heber SCOT
TAIT King of Scythia.
wandered the Caspian sea
LAMHFIONN [LAMH FIONN] - Their magician
or Druid, foretold that there would be no end to
their travel until they should arrive at the Western
Island Europe, now called Ireland, and that not
they but their posterity after 300 years should
arrive there. After many traverses fortune at sea,
this little fleet with their leader arrived at
Gothia or GeuliaŚmore recently called Lybia
Febric (Eoabhla) GLAS
(Nein, Nuail) NENUALL
   ----  EUROPE  ---- (c. 1,800 BC)  
Remembering the Druid's prediction, he departed
thence to seek out the country destined for
their final settlement and, after some time,
he landed upon the coast Spain, and settled
in Galicia, in the north that country.
BREOGAN (BREOGHAN), King of Galicia
(Spain), Andalusia, Murcia, Castile, and Portugal,
all which he conquered.
Bile [Bille].

1700 BC - 200BC

At this point, the charts shown in FRANDSEN's supplements skip 20 generations, converging once again with Eochaidh Buadhach.
98 Milesius of Spain. Father of the Irish race. Milesius had a vision which led to the discovery of Ireland.
A 2010 article at 'Celtic' myth exposed by DNA | says
We have been taught for a few generations that the Irish descend from the Celts. The King of one wave of Celts was Milesius. Milesius is the most famous Celt in legend I think. Some call him the founder of the Irish people - but it looks like it is mostly a fanciful story.

----- IRELAND -----
Heremon. He and his brother, Heber, began to reign in 1699 B.C.; were jointly the first Monarchs of Ireland. Heber was slain in 1698 B.C.; Heremon reigned 14 years, d 1683 B.C.
Irial Faidh, 10th Monarch, d 1670 B.C. This was a very learned king who could foretell things to come and who built several royal palaces.
Eithriall, 11th Monarch; reigned 20 years; slain by Conmaol in 1650 B.C. in Leinster at the Battle of Soirrean; a learned king and wrote The History of the Gaels (or Godelians).
Foll-Aich. He was kept out of the monarchy by Conmaol, the slayer of his father, who usurped his place.
Tighearnmas, 13th Monarch; reigned 77 years; d 1543 B.C.; historians say this Monarch was first to introduce image worship in Ireland.
Simorgoill. In his lifetime, the Picts in Scotland were forced pay homage to the Irish Monarch.
Fiacha Labhraim, 18th Monarch; reigned 24 years; d 1448 B.C.
Aongus Olmucach, 20th Monarch; This Monarch went with a strong army into Alba (now Scotland) and overcame the Picts and forced them to pay the required tribute. Aongus was slain by Eana, in the Battle of Carman, 1409 B.C.
Maon. He was kept out of the monarchy by Eadna.
Rotheachtach, 22nd Monarch; slain 1357 B.C. by Sedne of the line of Ir.
Siorna "Saoghalach," 34th Monarch; slain 1030 B.C. by Rotheachta of the line of Heber Fionn.
Olioll Aolcheoin.
Gailchadh, 37th Monarch; slain 1013 B.C.

Unadhas Fionnfail, 39th Monarch; slain 961 B.C.
Aedan Glas. Slain by Simeon
Simeon Breac, 44th Monarch. After a reign of six years, slain by order of Duach Fionn, son of the murdered king, in 903 B.C.
Muredach Bolgach, 46th Monarch; killed 892 B.C.
Fiacha Tolgrach, 55th Monarch; slain 795 B.C.
Duach Ladhrach, 59th Monarch; killed 737 B.C. Eochaidh Buadhach, kept out of the monarchy by his father's slayer; [m Tamar (Tea Tephi)].
Ugaine Mor (or Hugony) the Great, 66th Monarch;
m Caesair, daughter to the King of France. Slain in 593 B.C. by Badhbhchadh, who in turn was executed by order of Laeghaire Lore, Ugaine's son, who became 68th Monarch.
Colethach Caolbhreagh, 69th Monarch. He assassinated his brother, Laeghaire. After a long reign, he was slain by Maion, his nephew, in 541 B.C.
Melg Molbhthach, 71st Monarch; also slain 541 B.C.
Iaran Gleofathach, 74th Monarch; was a king of great justice and wisdom, very well learned; slain 473 B.C.
Conla Caomh, 75th Monarch; died a natural death in 442 B.C.
Olioll Cas-fiachlach, 77th Monarch; slain by his successor in 417 B.C.
Eochaidh Alt-Leathan, 79th Monarch; slain by his successor in 395 B.C.
Aongus Tuirmeach-Teamrach the Prolific, 81st Ard-Rich or High Monarch of Ireland, 384 to 325 B.C. (83rd Ardrigh, 384-328 B.C.)
Edna Agneach [Enna, or Eanda, Aigneach] the Hospitable, 84th Ard-Rich, 313-293 B.C.; legitimate son of Aongus; lost his life by hands of Criomthan Cosgrach.
[Labhra Luira].
Assaman Eamhnadh [Easamhuin].

200 BC - 1,300AD

Roighen Ruadh [Roignein].
Fionnlaoch [Finlocha]. This is one of the earliest known spellings of FINLEY; from Gaelic, it means "Fair hero."
Fionn [Finn], 95th Ard-Rich (92nd); m Benia (Bedonia), daughter of Criomthan.
Eochaidh Feidlioch (Eochy Fedhluch), 96th (93rd) Monarch, 142-130 B.C.; m Clothfionn, daughter of Eochaidh Uchleathan, who was a very virtuous lady; by him, she had three children.
Lothar (Bress-Nar-Lathar) [Brias Fineamhuas] (Nai, 95th Ardrigh; m Cloethia).
Lughaidh Sriabh-n Deary [Lughaidh Reibdearg], 98th Ard-Rich, 35-9 B.C.; m Dearborguill, daughter of the King of Denmark.
Crimthann-Niadh-Nar the Heroic (Crimiham Niadhaitihe the Bashful), 100th Ard-Rich, 8 B.C. to A.D. 9.
m Nar-Tath-Chaoch, daughter of Laoch, son of Daire, who lived in the land of the Picts (Scotland).
57 Feredach Fionn-Feachtnach the True and Sincere (the Just), 102nd Ard-Rich, A.D. 14-36.
Fiacha Fionn Ola (Fiacha of the White Oxen) [not included in Queen Elizabeth's chart], A.D. 40-56; m Eithne, daughter of Imgheal, King of Alba (King of the Picts).
Tuathal Teachtmar the Acceptable, reigned A.D. 75-106; m Bain, daughter of Sgaile Balbh, King of England (King of Finland).
Fedhlimidh (Felim) Rachtmar [not included in Queen Elizabeth's chart] (Feidhlim) the Legislator; reigned 110-119; d of thirst; m Ughua, daughter of the King of Denmark.
Conn Ceadeathach (Conn Citchethac), or Conn of the Hundred Battles; reigned 138-173; m Landabana, daughter of Crimtham, King of Leinster, Ireland.
Sarad (Soadia), his daughter; m Conary II, King of Ireland, 173-181, descendant of Cairbre Fionn (Conary the Great), King of Munster.
Cairbre RIADA - Established 1st Irish settlement in Scotland
Colla HAISH (UAIS), King of Tara
The following only apear in Queen Elizabeth's chart: Athirco, Findachar, Thrinklind, Fincormach, Romaich, Angus.
EOCHAIDH (THE RED HAIRED), The Valiant, Ruler in Dalriada, Ireland
48 ERC MacEochaid (d. 474), Ruled in Dalriada Ireland 430 A.D.
----- SCOTLAND -----
Fergus Mor McErc, Ruled from 498 to 501
Domangart .. 3 Comghall, King of Dal Riada, killed 537 ... 4 Conall (d. 574), King of Dal Riad
Gabhran (King of Scots)

Aidan or Aedan MACGABRAN (King of Scots) (d. 608)
Eochaid Buide (King of Scots)
Domnall or Donald BRECC (King of Scots)
Domangart II (King of Scots)
Eochaidh II (d. 696) (King of Scots)
Eochaidh III (King of Scots)
Aed Find (King of Scots)
Eochaid (d. 781)(King of Scots)
Alpin (King of Scots)
Kenneth I McALPIN (b. 810; d. 860) King of Albany 841-849 united Albany (Scotland) (Picts & Scots) into one kingdom
Constantine I, King of Albany 862 - 877 killed 877
Domhnull II (DONALD II), King of Albany 889 - 900 killed 900
MALCOLM I MacDonald, King of Albany b. abt. 880 killed 954
31 Cinaed (Kenneth II) King of Albany b. abt. 920 killed 995
30 Malcom II, King of Albany b. abt. 950 died of wounds 1034
29 Donada (We'v show Macbeth's mother's line here. See Macbeth Ancestors for his fathers line.
28 Macboeda Macbeth FIONNLADH FINLAY (b. 1005 in Lumphanen; d. 5 DEC 1057 in Lumphanen on Deeside, Aberdeenshire, Scot.) King of Scotland (1040-1057). Macbeth established himself on the throne after his cousin King Duncan died from wounds inflicted by Macbeth or his adherents in battle near Elgin.
Married Gruoch (Lady MACBETH), a descendant King Kenneth III (ruled 997-1005). Macbeth was killed in battle by Malcolm III, son of Duncan, with assistance from the English.
27 Macbeatha MCFINLAY, Thane of Cromarty; (b. bef. 1057 in Cromarty ; d. 1093) Married Bethoca, daughter of Andrew McBrad (McBride.)
26 Rory Ruari Thane Cromarty MCFINALY Thane of Crumbacty (Cromarty), 1100 to 1152
25 Fergus Shaw Rothumerches MCFINLAY
24 Eugenius Shaw Farquharson MCFINLAY / Shaw DUBH (b. Aberdeenshire)
23 Fearchar MCFINLAY CHIEF OF CLAN FI (b. 1236, Aberdeenshire) (Held large tracts at Strathdie, Parish of Crothie, in the Braes of Mar, head of Aberdeenshire, in 1236. Chief of Clan Fionnladh, as sept of the confederation of Clan Chattan.) Married Daughter and heiress of Patrick MCDONACHADH
22 Archibald Finlay (d. bef. 1336)

See Macbeth Ancestors for links to ERC on both his mother's and father's side.

(1) The Bible does not have a date for the great flood. The birthdate for Noah's grandson, Arphaxad, has been computed to be born about 2,342 BC. Genesis 5:32, states "After Noah was five hundred years old, Noah became the father of Shem, Ham, and Japheth." That would place Noah's birth around 2,900 BC. Modern archeologists have found evidence placing the flood around 5,000 or 10,000 years BC. See Footnote 4 for problems in computing dates.

(2)Carrie Alexander Wood, shows we are descended from Noah's son Japheth, father of the Gentiles, and grandson Gomer. The Bible lists Gomer's children Ancient Middle East Maps - The nations of Noah's descendants (Genesis 10) as Ashkenaz, Riphath and Togarmah, Wood adds Boath which is consistent with the The Book Leinster 1150 A.D..
She lists among her sources The Chart of Descent of House of FINLEY, from Manuscript Pedigrees at the Society of Genealogists, London, derived from Annals of Four Masters; CRONNELLY's Irish Families; and KEATING's History of Ireland.

Ruth Moore in her chart "House of FINLEY Traced Back To ADAM and EVE" shows we are descended from Noah's son Shem.
Moore's sources are with information taken from the Holy Bible and the Pedigree Chart of Queen ELIZABETH and the Royal Family of Great Britain.
See according to Finley Findings International VOL 1.

The genealogies come back together again at Gaodhal. (Wood shows Gaodhal 6 generations from Noah, Moore shows 19 generations).
See Finley Findings International Introduction by Tim M. Kessler. Moore's version follows the Jewish line thru Judah as follows:
   Arphaxad (b. 2342 BC)
    Abram (Abraham)
Jacob (Israel) (b. 2071 BC)
       Gadhol -> ... Scots
   Parez ->...David... Christ
See biblical genealogy.

(3) Some say that Scots and Scotland got its name from Scota, wife of Neull. Others say it came from the wife of Milesius, brother of Colla Haish; She was also named Scota and was the daughter of an Egyptian pharaoh. Still others say the name "Scots" is derived from the word Scythia.

(4) Many dates are counted from the creation of the world (anno mundi; abbreviated to AM). This scheme is the basis of the Jewish calendar which came into popular use about the 9th century AD. However this period of biblical chronology abounds in intractable problems caused by discrepancies between the Jewish and Samaritan Hebrew texts and the Greek version known as the Septuagint, by apparent inconsistencies in some of the synchronisms, and by uncertainties about the method of reckoning. I have seen AM 0 calculated to be various dates from 3760 BC to 5200 BC.
AD - Anno Domini ("the year of the Lord")
AM - anno mundi; (the year of the World)
BC - Before Christ
CE - Common Era; New term for AD.
BCE - Befoe Common Era
(See: Discussion at American Messianic Fellowship (AMF), Britannica Article)

(5) Numbers in front of some names refer to generations back from 2000.

Reliable genealogy records generally do not exist prior to AD 1500 except for certain royal lines. S. H. Finley's, 1934 genealogy goes back to John Finlay (1356-1425) with reference to his grandfather Archibald. See Sources below for more notes.
13th century to present:

Below numbers are from Stout's Finley Genealogy.
 See James Family Tree for an explanation of the numbers.
back from 2000

Ia Fearchar MCFINLAY (b. 1236, Aberdeenshire)

.   +Heiress of Patrick MCDONACHADH

. IIb Archibald Finlay (d. bfr 1336 )(Served in the Battle Largs 1263)

..    + Margaret ROBERTSON

.. IIIc  William Finlay, the Royal Forester of King Robert I.

...   + Isobel DEMPSTER

... IVa  Andrew Finlay (b. 1344) sheriff of Perth

....   + Marjorie MCDONALD

.... Vb  John Finlay (Finley),(b. 1356 Scot.; d 1445 Scot.)

.       Bishop of Dumblane Perthshire 1406.  Reginald the Isles, Thane Glentilt

.....    +Elanor Stewart (daughter John Stewart Fortengal)

..... VIa  John Finley (b. ?; d. 1461; lived in Tp. Kathyk Scot.)

.......   +Mary McRae

...... VIIa  John Finley (b. 1457 (Perthshire, Scotland? ); d. prior to 1507; lived in Pentacost, Scot.)

.......   +Janet/Joneta Roger

....... VIIIb Andrew Finley (b. Abt 1483 Perthshire, Scot.; d. ?; lived in Pentacost, Scot.)

........   +Janet Hay

........ IXf  James Finley (b. 15 Sep 1530; lived in Balchrystie, Fifeshire, Scot.; d. 26 Mar 1597)

........    +Elizabeth Warrender
.........        James Family Tree

......... Xn   John Finley (b. 8 Jun 1579 Balchrystie, Scotland; d. 6 Oct 1670)
...........    +Sarah Craigie (b. ?; d. th: 6 OCT 1670)
.......... XIm  James Finley (b. 9 Sep 1631 Newburn Parish, Balchrystie, Scot.; d. 16 Feb 1681)
...........     +Margaret Mackie (b. ?; d. 1672 Incharvie(?),Fife,Scotland)
...........  XIId Alexander Finley (b. 30 Jul 1667 Inchervie, St. Andrew's, Fife, Scot.; d. 28 Jan 1736 Dublin Ir)
.............    +Margaret Jennings (b. 1668; d. 1742 Dublin,Ireland)
............. 2-2 James Finley (b. 1687/8, Dublin, Ireland; d. 1753 Green Twp., Cmbr Co., PA)
..............   +Elizabeth Patterson (b. 1690; d. 1753-55 Franklin Co,PA)
............... 3-2-1 John Finley  (b. 1706, Dublin, Ireland; d. 1773 Augusta Co., VA)
...............         Joseph Finley  (b. 1708, Dublin, Ireland; d. Kent Co., DE)
............... 3-2-3 Samuel Finley  (b. 1708, Dublin, Ireland; d. BEF  NOV 1763 Augusta Co., VA)
...............         Robert Finley  (b. 1710, Dublin, Ireland; d. BEF  NOV 1772 Cumberland Co., PA)
............... 3-2-5 William Finley  (b. 1712, Dublin, Ireland; d. 1789 Augusta Co., VA)
.................   +Mary Wallace (b. Abt 1712 Dublin,Ireland; d. Bef 1783 Augusta Co,VA
................. 4-2-51 John Finley (b. 15 Dec 1737 in Augusta Co,VA; d. Bef 25 OCT 1802 in Augusta Co,VA)
..................   +Esther Reid (b. 1782;d. prior to 1802)
.................. 5-2-511 James Finley (b. 1783, Staunton, Augusta Co., VA; d. 1866, Lincoln Co., MO)
....................   +Mary (Patsy) Ramsey  (b. 1786/96  d. 1851)
.................... 6-2-5111 Andrew Ramsey Finley (b. 1818, Shelbyville, KY; d. 1896, Santa Ana, CA)
......................  +Caroline Gibson (b. 1830, Lincoln Co., Mo; d. 1901, Santa Ana, CA)
............... 3-2   Thomas Finley b: NOV 1714 in Dublin, Ire; d. ? Cumberland Co., Pa
............... 3-2   Andrew Finley b: 18 APR 1717 in Dublin, Ire; d. 1806 in York Co., Pa.
............... 3-2   Samuel Finley b: 17 Jan 1717/18 in Dublin, Ire; d. 1804 in Cumberland Co., Pa
............... 3-2   George Finley b: 28 NOV 1719 in Dublin, Ire; d. ? Westmoreland Co., Pa
............... 3-2   James Finley b: 10 JUL 1720 in Chester Co., PA; d. 1790
................       +Agnes Reid
.................  4      James Finley
.......................  +Mary Henderson
............. 2-3 Samuel Finley (b. 1689  Dublin, Ireland; d. ABT 1751 in West Nottingham, Cecil Co., MD)
............... 3-3-1 John Finley b: 6 MAY 1710 in Dublin, Ireland
............... 3-3-2 David Finley b: 10 FEB 1711/12 in Dublin, Ireland
............... 3-3-3 James Finley b: 22 OCT 1714 in Dublin, Ireland
............... 3-3   William Finley b: 1716
............... 3-3-5 Samuel Finley b: 22 MAR 1717/18 in Cecil County, Maryland
............... 3-3   Richard Finley b: 1720 in Cecil County, Maryland
............... 3-3   Margaret Finley b: 1722 in Cecil County, Maryland
............... 3-3   Robert Finley b: 1724 in Cecil County, Maryland
............. 2-4 John Finley (b: 10 OCT 1691 in Fifeshire, Scot; d. ABT 1769 in York Co., PA
............. 2   Andrew Finley b: 6 APR 1692 in Fifeshire, Scot
............. 2   Catherine Finley b: 12 Mar 1693/94; d. 1695 Ire.
............. 2   Alexander Finley b: 10 Feb 1694/95 in County Armagh, Ire; d.  1773/4  in Dublin, Ireland
............. 2   Margaret Finley b: 30 MAY 1696 in Ire.
............. 2   William Finley b: ABT 1694 in Fifeshire, Scot.; d. 1772 in Ardstaw, Tyrone, Ireland

General Comments on Ancient Genealogies:

In "Give Your Pedigree the Royal Treatment: Researching Noble Lines", Ancestry Magazine 11/1/2000, Eugene Stratton says: "The paradox is this: On the one hand, many people have one or more royal lines; on the other, few people can really prove it.... English kings were frequently prolific, and they did not always confine their begetting activities to their wives."

In a sidebar to the above, Gary Boyd Roberts says: "Sixty percent or more of the American people are descended from kings. The descent is usually derived through roughly 350 royally descended immigrants of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries."

In "What Are We to Make of Ancient Lineages", Summer 2001, New England Ancestors, published by the New England Historic Genealogical Society, Don Stone, director of the "Ancient and Medieval Descents Project" says:
"... a number of plausible ancient lineages, ... are worth taking seriously and deserve to be included (with discussion of their weak areas) in comprehensive treatments of the ancestry of many modern families."

In a personal correspondence, Stone wrote: "The GEN_MEDIEVAL mail list which is also posted at the soc.genealogy.medieval Netnews group (see about GEN-MEDIEVAL/soc.genealogy.medieval at rootsweb) has had quite a lot of discussion of various supposed Biblical connections coming through Celtic royalty. You will see that the various pedigrees giving descents from various pedigrees giving descents from Biblical figures to Celtic royalty are generally viewed as false." You can search for messages at google advanced group search for terms like "Milesius".

Information sources and reliability:

France and Stout, who built on France's work, start with Aongus Turrmheach, the Prolific in 384 B.C. Stout says the lineage from Aongus to Fearchar McFinley, born in the 13th century, comes from the "Manuscript Pedigrees" at the Society of Genealogists in London.

Other sources used by France are listed in an electronic posting to rootsweb.

In a personal correspondence, Don Stone, director of the "Ancient and Medieval Descents Project" said:
"These "manuscript pedigrees" are almost certainly not contemporary (i.e., 13th century) documents. They are likely the papers of a 19th century genealogist, and their value would depend on his or her skill."

From Macbeth the links to Erc a ruler in 430 are probably reliable because Macbeth's mother, Donada, is descended from a line rulers including Malcom I & II, Kenneth I & II,and Donald II which were pretty well documented.

My personal opinion is the weak link is that between Feachar McFinley and Macbeth. Macbeth was chief of Clan Fionnlaoich (a Gaelic spelling the name Finley) before becoming King of Scotland, so we have that connection for sure. Stout and others have made the connection from Feachar to Macbeth, but I haven't seen what sources they used. Wayne Johnson ( commented on one the Finley Message boards in Jan. 2000, "There are enough hints to justify claiming connection with MacBeth, as long as we do not accept it as beyond doubt."

Stout goes back to History prior to 400 AD are largely based on myth and legend, so things are probably questionable before then.

In Ancient Origins Ted McCloskey states:
"After the landing of the Milesians in Ireland, there was a law made that none but the direct descendants of Milesius should inherit any of the principalities, lordships or provincial thrones or the position of Ard Righ (Chief Monarch) of the country. This led to the institution of the office of Ollam, whose duty it was to keep records of genealogies of families and the gallant acts of all heroes. Thus the ancient genealogy of Irish families is far more documented than in other countries. "

In Irish Kings, Hugh McGough states:
  "Medieval Irish monks supported claims to kingship or property and
  gratified the egos' of their noble patrons by plotting their line of
  descent from Adam and Eve."
In Ancient Irish Lineage, Early states:
  "The first 35 'ancestors' are the invention of those Irish monks,
who then continued with the pagan 'myths', the arrival of Mil and his
sons. From these descend all the houses, with notes as to where the
various clans branched, creating the surnames of today. "
In History of the Scottish Crown at the British Monarchy Web site they say:
"Very little is known about many of the early Scottish kings other
than their accession dates (often because kings won their crowns by
killing other kings) and their deaths (particularly if these were
sudden and violent). Unlike Anglo-Saxon England, where clergy
such as Bede the Chronicler recorded additional details of English
kings' reigns, there are no surviving literary memorials of Pictish

The unification of Scotland began in the mid-ninth century, when
Kenneth MacAlpin became king of both Picts and Scots."
Sources are defined on the Finley Findings International page. It states:
"In her unpublished genealogy, written between 1938 and 1941, the late Carrie Alexander WOOD gives quite a detailed sketch of the earliest FINLEY family history. Dating from Adam and Eve, she lists among her sources The Chart of Descent of House of FINLEY, from Manuscript Pedigrees at the Society of Genealogists, London, derived from Annals of Four Masters; CRONNELLY's Irish Families; and KEATING's History of Ireland.

Somewhat less detailed, but which would tend to confirm most of WOOD's lineage chart, is a chart entitled, House of FINLEY Traced Back To ADAM and EVE, submitted by Ruth MOORE, with information taken from the Holy Bible and the Pedigree Chart of Queen ELIZABETH and the Royal Family of Great Britain."

WOOD'a early generations, agree with information included by FRANDSEN.

The FRANCE and STOUT genealogies begin with Aongus Tuirmeach-Teamrach the Prolific 384 BC.

In a comment on the The Declaration of Arbroath, Robert M. Gunn, {Skyelander} states, "The idea the Scots originally came from Scythia is most likely mythical and highly improbable."

In Ireland's History in Maps, Dennis Walsh states, "Serious scholars have always held Ireland's history is not truly knowable before about 500 AD."

Other sources are: "The Clan Finley" By Maj. Albert Finley France, April 1942, and
"The Clan Finley", Second Edition Revised and corrected, 1956, Volume One, Compiled and edited by Herald F. Stout, Rear Admiral, U. S. Navy (Retired)

As far as the line following Macbeth, Finley Findings International states:
"There are several inconsistencies, both in spellings of names and in facts. However, careful examination reveals a common thread, and this appears to be the factual record:"

"The rest of the records of FRANCE, WOOD and STOUT are fairly consistent".

"The second son of Fearchar MC FINLAY was Archibald FINDLA or FINLAY, who distinguished himself at the Battle of Largs in Ayrshire, Scotland against the Norwegians on 21 Oct 1263"
"The third son of Archibald FINLAY, William, became the Royal Forester of King Robert I."

Very little is known about the kings of Dalriada apart from their names. These are found in two mediaeval sources, the Book of Ballymote and the Pedigree of the Scottish Kings.

Ancient Irish Texts:
   Several genealogies were written at the end of the first millennium AD:
   Annals of the Four Masters - A compilation of the oral histories of
   Irish kings recorded from ancient times to 1616AD. This valuable
   history was archived between 1632-1636 by Franciscan monks, headed
   up by Michael O'Clery.
  (See: William Finnerty's page,

   MILESIAN GENEALOGIES from the Annals of the Four Masters.
   The Book Leinster 1150 A.D.
   The Scottichronicon (Chronicle of the Scottish Nation),
           John of Fordun c. 1345
   The Declaration of Arbroath
   Lebor Gabala Erren (Book of the Taking of Ireland)

These in turn, quote even more ancient works such as "The Saltairs of Tara and Cashel", "The Book of Conquests and Invasions", "The White Book" and the "History of Kings" written during the early part of the first millennium AD.

Other histories
The Irish Pedigrees or The Origin and Stem of the Irish Nation, by John O'Hart


In Ancient Origins Ted McCloskey lists: A history or genealogy of the Kings was compiled by order of Cairbre Liffeachair, Monarch of Ireland in the 3rd century; a book which is mentioned by Sir George McKenzie in his "Defense of the Royal Line of Scotland" as having been seen by him preserved until the last century in the Abbey of Icolmkill.

Cabre, who was monarch six generations before the advent of St. Patrick - that is, about the beginning of the Christian era - had the White Book, and the Book of the Conquests and Invasions written. These are quoted and repeated in the Saltair of Cashel, cited by Keating the historian. "

"Later genealogies were commenced by King Brian Boroimhe Boru, Monarch of all Ireland in the 10th century. These books included "The Annals of the Four Masters" by McGeoghegan et al. These were aided later still by the Genealogical Works of Sir Bernard Burke, Ulster King at Arms, and many other works and private papers from the records of distinguished families, in which are quoted others far more ancient."

In a comment on the Finley Message Forum at RootsWeb on January 14, 2000 Wayne Johnson ( states:
"Some claim, and there is some evidence they are right, that MacBeth, king of Scotland in the 11th century, was the chief of the Clan Finley before he became king. His father was named Finley or Findley, but that was before the use of surnames. I doubt that there is enough factual evidence to prove it, but there are enough hints to justify claiming connection with MacBeth, as long as we do not accept it as beyond doubt."


On the same forum on January 14, 2000 Fr. Scott Archer states:
" I think some Finley researchers make a sport of poking fun of Rear Admrl. Herald Stout's book, "The Clan Finley."
The book really isn't bad. I tend to believe the Macbeth story. I don't think Stout just made it up."

An Ancient History page at (no longer available) stated:
"Finley is a personal name and is the Anglicized version of the old Gaelic name Fhinnlaidh. "Fhionn" (Fair or White) and "Laidh" (Hero or Warrior). There are numerous variations of the Gaelic version; Fionnlaidh, Finnlagh & Fionnla are a few. The name first showed up in Ireland around 200 BC. The Finleys moved from Spain with a people known as the Milesians around 1700 BC (see Milesius. They would later be referred to as Scots by the Romans.

See also The Origin of scots
See also: Terms at Scottish History and
Finley Findings International , The Book Leinster , The Hynes lineage from Adam , Ancient Irish Texts , Chronicle the Picts and Scots , Adam Lineage , Irish Kings , Ancient Origins at the McClosky Page , A Timeline of Irish History , The Scottichronicon (Chronicle the Scottish Nation) , Birth of Scottish Dal Riada , The Irish Kings of Dalriada. , Clan Donnachaidh History , History of the Scottish Crown , Raven Family Genealogy , Descent through Scottish Kings , Ireland's History in Maps , Middle Ages , History at U. Kans.

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